to retail it in ohio, virginia, florida, colorado, and nevada real strong and then we have the electoral college if we can take all of those states, we win. we're north going to do this o'reilly punk. we're not going to bother with him. >> no, no. i don't think they see you in a negative light. i think they made a calculation. and the calculation is that there is not enough upside to take a chance doing an interview with you. >> bill: that's a wrong calculation though. >> well, maybe it is, maybe it, that's the one i think we both agree they have made. otherwise, they would be here instead of me right now. >> bill: well, nobody would ever bump you. >> that's a good point. >> bill: i offered both of the candidates a half an hour on the factor. back-to-back. but the upside to both of them is, that they get to show the american people in a very challenging forum what they are made out of.